1) there are eternal truths outside of finite logic systems? doesn’t this sidestep the dynamic complexity of the world? similarly, how do you formulate a consistent system of thought in a world of dynamic relations? i guess my point is: if the only consistent truth is the overdetermination of everything and the unknowability of anything, then my ‘triumph’ should look a lot like indifferent resignation. :)

2) okay. i get what you’re saying. not sure i agree that doc’s ideology was cut n’ paste though. (post-holocaust survivalism + beach bum + in-situ distaste for the status quo = a pretty non-formulaic blend) problematic? yes. formulaic? not so much.

3) kind of. ‘real’ grown ups get to decide which commodities to buy, which shows to watch, which party to support, and which sports team to follow. of course, these choices are limited to the choices available. this is where/how ‘self-determinism’ comes to seem euphemistic at best. we basically ‘determine’ HOW (democrat or republican) we enroll in various social constellations, but our enrollment itself is always-already a fact.

4) i wasn’t making fun of your verbose phraseology as much as i was interested in talking about the ideas underpinning it.

cheers!

tissue

Happy to disambiguate (uh, simplify) for you.

1) Intellectual triumph is the realization of an eternal truth OR at the very least the formulation of a consistent, logical system of thought, achieved through the application of the human mind to a problem.

2) ha. ha. I THINK you actually get what I’m saying: in words of two or fewer syllables, it’s that he prostrated (oops, sorry) worships a set of beliefs that he stole and does not “get” at all, really. When you make up the beliefs or discover the Truths through thinking, you get a free pass. He just went to the big Thots-R-Us and bought the boxed set.

3) “Tyranny” comes from the Latin “Tyrant” which meant the ruler of an independent city-state. You had to do whatever the tyrant said, whether or not it was a good idea. Real grown up people are allowed, and even encouraged (sometimes) to make their own minds up.

4) if you like smaller words, try this tag instead.

“Voluntary subjugation to the tyranny of doctrinaire antiestablishmentarianism should not be mistaken for intellectual triumph or self-determinism”

a few questions:

what is intellectual triumph? (say this out loud about ten times and see if you don’t laugh yourself out of the room). my best guess would be it lies somewhere between an incomplete philosophy dissertation and waking up in a pynchon novel. but i’m pretty sure a person in either situation would agree that ‘triumph’ is hardly an appropriate description.

which sort of voluntary subjugation SHOULD be mistaken for intellectual triumph or self-determinism?

what about involuntary subjugation?

where is this magical land where self-determinism allows subjects to skirt the edges of some-sort-of-tyranny; be it the ‘tyranny’ of capital, the ‘tyranny’ of religion, or the mundane ‘tyranny’ of being a human in society?

mind-boggling.

-tissue

I get wordy when my vocabulary has been pent-up by doing lols all day.