Well, you can see by the comments on the post below that pointless internet drama is the catalyst for ever-more-random explosions of other pointless internet drama. There’s some sort of magnetic effect going on, in which the drama calls out to drama queens, and so you have a post about a fanblog at WordPress.com being taken down generating a rather heated (or icy, depending on your point of view) and completely unrelated 24 comments about the infallible superiority of the Echo commenting system, my unspeakable rudeness at DARING to insult the commenting system, etc etc.
So I wonder what kind of comments this will generate. It’s a comment thread on Gawker in which the whole thing was discussed again. The Baroness and I have nothing whatsoever in common, but we’ve always gotten along pretty well because we respect one another and don’t believe the world needs to be filled with people who are identical. I mean, how do people who agree on everything even HAVE discussions?
I think Monet died before he really hit his stride artistically.
Yup, he sure did!
End of conversation.
Anyway, here it is for good or ill. By the time I wake up tomorrow, this post will probably have 789 comments about how it’s all my fault NASA cancelled the space shuttle program or something. It’d be typical. Putting it over the jump so this page doesn’t become endless, but all the good stuff is there, INCLUDING THE DEADLY ASSASSIN.
Is Gawker ever going to comment on any of the Julia Allison nonsense?@DogsOfWar:
(Edit: I see your link approves of the shutting the site down, because whatever. Ok. )
Here’s a good summary of what’s gone down.
Here is the exiles’ discussion. Some funny, some alarming stuff. Fake lawyer emails, psycho messages to the mods and at least one commenter- all anonymous!
Yeah, Gawker should be all over this.
WordPress looks pretty stank here.Edited by Baroness at 01/06/11 7:23 PM
@Baroness: It’s not a post about whether or not I approve of WP.com policy. It’s a post about how dense some people can be about inflexible policy, and how other people get dragged into others’ emotional dramas.
I’ve had my own dealings with WP.com on issues like this, which you can read all over my blog (particularly under the Censorship category). I’m not saying it’s right or wrong; I’m saying that if you violate the terms of service, BAM, this happens to you. It just always does.
You might also note I told them exactly how to get the site back online AT WordPress.com. The person arguing with me said Julia approved of the site and that was proven; that makes it simple if true: she just has to contact WordPress.com.
In fact, Julia has decided she doesn’t approve of the site, and she’s apparently exercised her right to report them for a violation of which they’re guilty. So the contract is null and void.
WP.com gave them an export file with everything in it. It’s easy enough to set up, either at Blogger for free or even at WordPress.com for free AS I SAID as a private blog. Private blogs don’t get reported.
And trust me, I put it in #tips. I put it there at dawn. And then I emailed Richard. Nothing.
Perhaps they’re waiting for something interesting to happen. That wacky letter might be just the thing.
@Myrna_Minkoff: I felt much the same and I had to LIVE it.
And then of course, being me I blogged it, because I knew it’d get hella hits, which it has. I think Gawker is just waiting for GOMI to stop crashing so they can write this up without linking to my site. The Dark Lord hates me, it seems.
@raincoaster: I hear you, RC, and your post was amusing (and I like your blog!). I guess it gets to the larger questions of how exactly it violated the TOS, and there’s no real answer at this hour. And I don’t think you’ve read about some of the peculiar threats the mods of it have been getting, as well as mere commenters there. It’s larger than the technicalities of the WP TOS, is the thing.
There’s a multi-pronged thing going on against RBNS it seems, and if JA succeeds in shutting them down, there are some larger questions. The mods will probably let it all go and fold. I see you have a distaste for the place, but there has to be an interesting story behind what’s gone on. Gawker should get on it, but .. the new direction is, no one cares about Julia Allison. They’re right! But it seems like a juicy story nonetheless, with the McCain boy being perhaps a factor, Gawker’s own run-ins with lawsuits and censorship.
Anyway.. it’s interesting.
@Baroness: Oh I have years, literally years of experience with WordPress.com and I can tell you exactly how in their eyes it violated ToS. It’s literally specifically the letter that Alana Joy posted and I reposted: that it’s a site dedicated to hating on a single person. Those blogs are specifically not allowed at WordPress.com, as you can see from this link:
(last line on the page is very specific)
I did see on GOMI the weird letters and threats and assorted chaos, but I didn’t want to touch that with a ten-foot pole. It’s not WordPress that is sending that stuff, and I really, REALLY do not want to get in the middle of this catfight between JA, RBNS, GOMI, etc, etc. You couldn’t go just halfway in and do the story justice, and I don’t want to go that deep in. My angle is just the WordPress.com thing.
I find fandom fascinating as a phenomenon, and Julia Allison, while completely non-interesting to me as a person is interesting as a phenomenon. I have no doubt at all Gawker WILL blog about this, but they’re probably dispatching Richard to the blog admin’s house with care packets of herbal tea, a flask of strawberry wine, cat toys, and a Mary Engelbreit collectible figurine so he can get the interview.
@raincoaster: I hear you. I disagree about the nature of fandom as you use it, though. I think they really do loathe her. Maybe she’s the prissy fake they all knew in high school, I don’t know.
“Julia Allison, while completely non-interesting to me as a person is interesting as a phenomenon. ”
Still, in 2011? For someone who presented herself on the cutting edge of tech, her “phenomenon” was quite a while ago, and an overstatement to begin with. What’s she doing now? She seems barely solvent.
Look, I don’t dislike her, and will admit to being an RBNS lurker because those bitches were funny. But the shutting-down of that place goes beyond TOS, WP, and the Twitter exchanges you’re dwelling on. It’s a bit beside the point.
It’s testing the extent of free speech- believe it or not, most posts weren’t libellous obscene jihads. They were quotidian bitcheries. I’m wondering if you know her personally, actually. Nothing wrong with that. I’ll bet she’s fun. But there’s a lot about this whole thing that stinks.
@Baroness: I respect you but I don’t understand your point about the shutting-down. I know the guys at WordPress.com personally. Have known them for years. For them, it really is just about that. They got a report of a violation, they shut it down. Someone reported the new one, they shut it down. That’s how they operate and they don’t get involved in Byzantine vendettas or reputation management or anything.
Not to say such things aren’t going on. I’m just saying that it isn’t specifically why the blog got shut down. Somebody reported it, after all. However sweeping their mandate may be, for WP.com it was a simple matter.
As for free speech, I’m a strong advocate of it and my record will speak for itself on that. What I’m saying is that it is unrealistic to pretend this is a moral question: it’s a legal one.
Do they have the right to say everything they did? Absolutely.
Do they have the right to force WordPress.com to publish it? No, they don’t.
It’s not a censorship situation like the Satanic Verses. I’m quite sure the contract with the publisher didn’t specifically exclude books which would offend Islam; if it had, they’d have been perfectly within their rights to pulp the books.
In agreeing to the Terms of Service, Reblogging Nonsociety lied. They said they wouldn’t set up a site devoted to taking down one person, and they set up a site specifically devoted to this exact thing. I can’t get behind that.
As for Julia Allison, I don’t know her personally. I do know a couple of people she’s met. I also find it hilarious that someone on GOMI thought she might be having an affair with Matt. She’s no more his type than she’s my type. Someone very wise once said she’d make a very good Pretty Third Grade Teacher. I think that’s about right. In the meantime, she’s that inner third grade teacher trying on the outside to be a cross between Paris Hilton and a William Gibson character, and she just doesn’t have it in her, on either side.
She reminds me of those 23-year-olds in PR and restaurant marketing that stand around at parties hoping their hair looks good.
But the phenomenon: yes, that is still interesting. If you think the fame maelstrom around her has wound down, look at the kerfuffle over this blog deletion! Look at some social media “guru” going apeshit in my comments section over (of all things) my preferences in commenting systems. These are side-effects of fame.
There’s someone quite famous following me on Twitter, and it’s equal parts amusing, amazing, and revolting to watch how the fangirls treat him. Every morning a cadre of them wake up and say “@famousperson I hope it’s a great day where you are.”
Okay, fine, but then they go on with “I’m gonna clean the litterbox hahahaha @famousperson”. And “@catlady i no! i wuz so mad!!! those were my best doilies! @famousperson”.
And then, at the end of each night, a special “Good night, sweet @famousperson”. From every one of these women, many of whom are friends on Twitter. It’s quite fascinating to watch, and very educational. For half a second, the fangirl cadre thought he and I were dating, and I got included in the @’d all damn day, which skeeved me out so much I had to post on Twitter and my blog that we weren’t. Poof, it stopped.
Also, I lost 100 or so new followers right then, but easy come, easy go, eh?
See? All this fandom stuff does fascinate me, far more than the stars themselves do, however bright, or however faded.
Well, with the exception of Julian Assange. I’d far rather mess around with him than with this stuff any day. Guess that damn US government must have erased my contact data from his Macbook, eh?
Oh, still here? Well just to top off a perfect day, the blog network went down, the cat puked on the sofa, so I cleaned it up and went downstairs to get into the cosy, clean bed, and who should join me there but a FUCKING BLACK WIDOW SPIDER? at which point I swear like a drunken sailor at it, shake it off my computer cord, and bolt back upstairs, tweeting as I go of course.
Whereupon I receive this, from Rob Cottingham the social media strategist/satirist/artist. And that really did make it all better for awhile.