Disclaiming Kimveer Gill

 Gill and his gun

Every site that Kimveer Gill‘s been associated with has posted a disclaimer of one kind or another. VampireFreaks.com blame the whole thing on the mainstream media and insist that there is no Goth on the planet who is the slightest bit violent or hurtful. Whatever. And Gothmetal.net says their whole site is down until the police are finished with it. But among the disingenuous and the bland, there is a disclaimer that is actually somewhat inspirational, and it comes from the strangest source.

Gill‘s favorite videogame was Super Columbine Massacre, and the creator of the site has naturally been inundated by curious and/or worried surfers looking for clues into the mind of a murderer. Did the game cause this? Did the game feed the rage or bleed it off? Who would create a game that relives one of the most infamous crimes of the last fifty years, and why? Let’s look at his answers and draw our own conclusions rather than look for confirmation of our assumptions.

To the Public:

I am, like most, saddened by the news of the recent shooting at Dawson College. I extend my condolences to those affected by this painful event. Please refer to the artist’s statement for the game’s intent. For further questions, please contact me here.

In the press I’ve been getting lately, I have tried to articulate very clearly that Columbine was a “wake up call” not just for our society but for ME in particular as I was once headed down a similar road. I found other outlets such as filmmaking and theater… unfortunately those like Harris, Klebold, and apparently Gill did not.

Super Columbine Massacre

To Forum Posters:

This site is NOT a place to spread hatred or to cheer on the death of innocent people (quite the opposite, actually). Please be aware of the sensitive nature of Montreal right now and of those who were affected by this shooting. Videogames are important. They’re now under much scrutiny here. Own your words and mean them. If you want a world where freedom of expression prevails, please understand that with it comes an inherent responsibility to be thoughtful and mature about your expression.

-Danny Ledonne


SCMRPG Creator

14 thoughts on “Disclaiming Kimveer Gill

  1. Dear Rain,

    You seem to be on an anti-Goth crusade and I just wanted to say that I think the situation in England is a bit different.

    There have been no, Goth related crimes reported, though statistically, Goths have a greater tendency to self harm and depression.

    On the whole they seem to be quiet, introspective types who are mostly polite and pale-faced.

    Violent gun crime is almost unheard of apart from certain areas where afro-caribbean gangs are engaged in turf wars.

  2. How sickening… all of this.. yet most people in this world are trying to explain this! There is so explanation! He was sick in the head. If he hadnt died that day the law would have given him such a mediocre penalty. But good riddance.
    As far at the videogame is concerned.. Its shocking to know why there is still a game out there with that name.. again, No explanation!

  3. I don’t pay much attention to the video game world. I’m way too old, and figure I have some real life to live.

    But I can’t help thinking that anyone who juxtaposes the phrase ‘Columbine Massacre’ with the concept of ‘game’ has made a fundamental moral misjudgement.

    I had a quick look at his statement. I may have misunderstood this, but he appears to be justifying what he did on the basis that the game is some kind of art form. Trouble is, being art isn’t enough. There’s good art, and there’s bad art.

  4. It’s a well-written statement, as is the section “to forum posters” posted above, but I think he’s full of crap. Mark Gammon said it well: there’s a fundamental moral misjudgement here.

  5. Fruning, I don’t think two Gill-related posts make me an anti-Goth crusader. I’m not anti-Goth at all; I have many, many Goth friends and I’m a recovering Goth myself, it’s (at this age I look silly in the outfits). It’s just that VampireFreaks have been such defensive, mendacious and panicky idiots that I feel it’s fair to take them to task for it. They don’t treat their members as individuals at all but rather insist that they are interchangable, perky, harmless souls. Well they’re not. Goth is, in large part, a fascination with morbidity, and while you’re right the majority of Goths are, if anything, too passive, this is also something that is attractive to the extremely violent, which we do see here. Gothmetal.net have been much more mature about it.

    You’re incorrect when you say there have been no Goth crimes reported, although perhaps there are none current in the UK; there have been incidental gang attacks, according to police there. I suggest you go to http://www.crimelibrary.com and type in “Vampire” or “Goth” and see what a selection you come up with, although it’s heavily US; still, instructive. There are quite a range, such as the Kansas City Butcher. A friend of mine’s house was cased by the Night Stalker down in California: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/terror_1.html

    There is no group of human beings on Earth, from cloistered nuns to rampaging gangs, that is utterly free from violence or aggression, and it is ridiculous and harmfully misleading to insist that, although all your members are individuals, they are all making the same choices for peace, love and baby kittens.

    Look at Gill; he loved kittens. And he killed both Anastasia DeSousa and himself.

    I can assure you that violent gun crime rates in Canada are comparable to what they are in the UK, although the guns here tend to be smuggled up from the US and end up in the hands of the drug gangs.

    s khan, you’re right. He was insane, as it’s easy to tell from reading his journal. It’s terrible that nobody in his family either saw the problem or tried to do anything about it. It appears that they just wrote him off, saying “That’s how he is.” Who knows what would have happened if they’d gotten him out of that basement?

    Mark, I agree that there’s good art and evil art. I’m not sure where this game lies. Does it bleed off the rage? Would Gill have gone on a rampage earlier if he hadn’t had this game to work off his urges before? Is it an acceptable investigation into our fascination with the events (because we ARE fascinated)? I’m thinking it over. I think the game designer is being honest here with his statements. Whether the game is a good or evil thing goes right to the heart of “is morbidity a good or evil thing” and that is a very deep human question. If it’s evil, then Goths are evil. If it’s good, then we all should take more time out of our lives to contemplate it, however we choose to do that.

    We have a natural repulsion from death, but we have a fascination with it as well. I mean, you’re not leaving comments on my Nine Inch Nails video, are you? You’re here. Is this evil? Is it neccessary? Is it fundamentally human? Would turning away from this tragedy be abandoning some measure of our responsibility to transcend our ordinary lives?

    I think so.

  6. Rain – I take your point. Can’t really comment, because I haven’t seen the game. And goth culture is outside my experience, so I can’t comment on that. THe only thing I would say is that I didn’t suggest the game was evil. But it might be bad art, in the sense that the experience it conveys somehow got garbled in the execution.

    Like I say, I don’t know.

  7. I haven’t played the game, myself. If I had the room on the computer I’d download it and explore, just to familiarize myself with it, though. It seems clear to me (in my admittedly ignorant state) that the game designer was wrestling with questions of motivation and justification and thought that simulating the events would help him work through those questions.

    Whether or not it helps or hurts, I just don’t know. But in a way I’m glad the game exists, because if nothing else a fascination with it would be a flag to me if it affected a friend of mine. This should be like a book; read it, put it down, think about it, and move on. It’s the not moving on that would be worrying, and should have flagged Gill to someone. Instead of using it as a learning tool or challenging himself, he got hung up on the bloodporn aspects, which are really the least of the issues in the game.

  8. I don’t understand why a game that explores the will to do good or evil would be banned anymore than a book that explored it would be. The outcomes in the game are not set; you do not HAVE to kill anyone.

    You know, I think I gotta download the goddam thing before I continue in this thread. It’s all well and good to be theoretical, but I’d rather speak from personal knowledge, and nothing in my ethical makeup would prevent me from icing pixels permanently.

  9. “wake up call not just for our society but for ME in particular ”
    My god , how clueless can a human be ? Columbine was a ” wake up call ” ??? What the heck ? Only a brain dead blind person would see it as a “wake up call ” .
    Anyone fool who has read a newspaper or looked inside an encyclopedia would have already been ” waked up ” .

    ” I think the situation in England is a bit different ” . Of course it is , sicne when has the Motherland not been superior ? (ignore colonialism , it never happened and even if it did its not like , the worst ever thing or anything )

  10. Honestly, this makes me laugh. You generalize so much about gothics with that depression and such… Honestly, grow up. It’s not because you’re part of the gothic world that it makes you more vulnerable to depression or self-harm. That’s freakin’ stupid. ”I’m recovering from goth” Wow!!!! Like it was a dicease.

    Grow up.
    Kimveer Gill is a freakin’ idiot who barely ruined my life and that only took the black clothing to ”express” himself. He never understood the gothic meaning. And no, gothic is not about liking morbid things; it’s about mourning, about darkness, about finding another kind of beauty where people don’t see it because they’re too afraid of the dark. Point.

    If you don’t know something, just stay silent. You just keep running stereotypes again and again.

  11. “It’s not about morbid things; [sic] it’s about mourning…”

    And, apparently, about being deeply confused about the meaning of simple words. And, apparently, the spelling as well.

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