Just the latest and greatest of the bizarrarie in the forum:
Oh Leonard J. Gojer, what have you done? [besides deleted your blog since this post went live?]
I paid for traffic from http://www.visitorshark.com. The contract with them says that there is no guarantee that the traffic will show up on my analytics, which is your WordPress analytics. The traffic was for 6 million visitors per month. The traffic does not show up, just like they said it would not.
How can prevent this problem in the future? That is, what do I do to insure that I chose a source of traffic that DOES in fact show up on your analytics?
The blog I need help with is npcompleteproof.wordpress.com.
You can see your WordPress.com site stats through your My Stats tab. There’s a link to get to your My Stats tab at the bottom of this support article.
I’m not sure if that will completely answer your question, but it’s a start.
Also, although you don’t specifically mention Google analytics, this support thread may also help with your question of analytics in general.
I was going to hire a programmer on Odesk who had promised me that I could see the analytics if I hired him. I need to know if there is any way, whether with Google Analytics or some other analytics that this can be done, because I don’t want to pay the programmer if the idea doesn’t really work. This is a low budget project for a website.
If you are paying for traffic, you are paying for spam hits. Spam hits are stripped out of WordPress.com analytics, because they are spam.
You can try building legitimate traffic instead of paying for robots. Do you even know what you just did to your brand by posting this in a forum that shows up in Google?
So, it’s not good to pay for traffic?
My objective is to convert my personal labor, (let’s say about 2 hours a week, give or take), into quality traffic to the site. How can do that in a reliable way?
Apr 29, 2013, 11:44 PM
6,000,000 robot hits will do nothing except lighten your bank account – why do you want the traffic? If you are that desperate how about going down to the local coffee shop and giving cookies to anyone that clicks on your blog – waste of time I think
Search the forum here for SEO or traffic – you will find hundreds of suggestions
see also: http://onecoolsitebloggingtips.com/
So, what you’re suggesting is that ALL of these services on the internet, (not just the expensive ones), don’t accomplish anything at all.
I started my “career” (if you could call it that) in internet marketing by reading these paperback books that they have in popular bookstores.
What I am trying to avoid is to devalue the hourly worth of my time. I have a normal daytime job and this work is supplemental in addition to that. Think about this, why I would want a “second” job that only is worth minimum wage hours?
What you’re saying is that spending money doesn’t get the value of the money spent.
This website that I am promoting is a university academic topic. I am trying to target people who are like Computer Science students. Perhaps I should find some forums that have more of those types of people.
On your blog, you say you believe you’ve proved P=NP. If you really believe that you have, then the most profitable use of your time would probably be to write it up, submit it to a peer-reviewed journal, and then collect your million-dollar Millennium Prize.
The literature that I read says that my objective is to obtain a lot of traffic. If the traffic can only be generated by my labor, that limits the total income that comes from the work, because there are 24×7 hours in a week, and I already have a job.
I think that these people who send emails saying that you can get rich in internet marketing and don’t mention anything about the method that you would reliably do this should be put in prison for creating a big scam.
With respect to what you say about P=NP, I spoke with the dean of computer science from my university where I graduated, and he said pretty much the same thing that you said.
I have been paying a lot of money to scam websites thinking erroneously that at least one of them would not be a scam.
When I discovered my formula, I was a student in the university, and on the day that I was thinking about it, it created a “ruckus” among the students in the school, and I basically got expelled from that school and had to graduate from another school.
I am trying to avoid situations that operate like scams.
One thing that all of this experience has taught me is that scams have a certain sociological structure to them. At the top of the scam is someone who is malevolent who is directing the scam.
Apr 30, 2013, 12:20 AM
Long ago advertisers figured out how not to pay for fake robot traffic – in fact advertisers are good enough to figure out if you are trying to run up your count or getting a few friends to fake traffic for you – then you get suspended from their program – and you can’t sell ads on your blog here anyway – you can signup for Adwords and a lot of traffic gets you not much money –
You want traffic – read the link I gave you – all you did with your “research” is make the people that sold you the book rich – there is a sucker born every minute – sorry
I charge $200 per hour for my advice as an independent WordPress consultant, and for free I told you that was spam. You may persist if you so desire, but be aware that Google is sophisticated enough to know what kind of patsy pays for spam hits, and vindictive enough to throw his search engine rankings down a well.
“People who send ‘get rich quick’ emails may be scamming me” WELL DUH.
I will read the information that you gave me. (to auxclass).
(to raincoaster). I don’t want to take advantage of you, because you are a dedicated person to your profession. I am doing something that is like a “pastime”. That is to say that I don’t need the money to function at a basic level. I only need the money if I want to have “nicer” things.
I got into a big argument with the employees of Google about two years ago, for the same thing that you just mentioned right now.
They were very angry that I was “moonlighting” from my existing job.
You have to keep in mind that my daytime job is for a construction related company, and those people don’t have any legal obligation to take orders from Google, because construction requires a university degree in Civil Engineering.
Apr 30, 2013, 12:32 AM
PS – once they find a sucker they will sell your info to other people that will scam you – sort of a round robin thing
A person like me can use the mathematics of the “Net Present Value” computation, (if you don’t know what this is, look it up on wikipedia), to evaluate internet marketing propositions. That is a more suitable method for determining if a financial arrangement is a scam.
What is really a shame is that all of these companies on the internet are committing the crime of “material misrepresentation”. If you buy something in a store, (like Target or Sears), you don’t have that problem.
I have been dealing with someone who is an attorney. He said that this problem falls under the subject heading of “due diligence”. The task is to separate the legitimate from the illegitimate.
There is a way to make this work. It just takes work.
The difference between what I know and what you know is that you know things about the internal mechanism of the internet, (like what happens inside of the servers). I never learned those things, that’s why I am at the mercy of those paperback books which don’t tell the whole truth.
Do you think I can find a book on such a topic?
So two years ago Google told you that what you were doing was wrong. Yet you persist.
I don’t give a rat’s ass what your day job is, you are clearly not entering the internet space with anything like authenticity and honesty and thus you are getting the results you deserve. Either stop behaving like this or deal with the fallout, which is (as you’ve noted) basically ostracization.
There is no way to make what you are doing work. It does not work. In fact, your WP.com blog has already been reported for violating the Terms of Service over this issue. STOP DOING THIS.
Please explain that last statement to me about the “Terms of Service”.
I don’t know anything about that. I did not read them very well.
You talk about honesty, but you forget one very important thing. As long as there are scams going on out there, you haven’t “cleaned” up the world by attacking me, you have only stifled a very good idea, which is my formula.
I am not going to spend any more money on those services.
I don’t give a rat’s ass if you’re going to spend money at WordPress.com; my concern is that people who buy into scams don’t pollute the statistics and the blog pool here.
If you didn’t read the ToS before, I suggest you read them now.
If you haven’t gotten the point, con artists don’t generate legitimate web hits. Legitimate web hits are what is counted here. If you wish non-legitimate web hits, you will have to go somewhere else.
No-one who pretends to a knowledge of algorithms can be ignorant of the import of these statements: take your spam farm elsewhere.
What you just said right now is in violation of the U.S. Constitution, and you know it down to the core of your being.
The politics of the world DOES NOT revolve upon what you say it does.
You’re hilarious. The internet was not invented in 1776, moron. Spam and con artists do not enjoy the protection of the Constitution or the Amendments, which is why fraud is punishable by law in the United States. Fraud. Which is what you have engaged in. You have paid for fraud, and you have posted to this forum complaining that your Fraud was not counted as the equal of lawful web views. You’ve done all of this in writing. Congratulations, you are truly the stupidest person I’ve seen online today and that counts Ron Brynaert.
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Apr 30, 2013, 2:30 AM
Dear WordPress Support,
I was told by a representative of either your company or some other company that using cheap advertising services that send spam is in violation of your “Terms of Service”.
Let me just say that I was not aware of this, because I did not read the entire “Terms of Service” when I signed up for your system.
I will not use these services anymore.
I would like to point out that it’s an unreasonable proposition that I should be told that I am an unwanted
visitor on the internet, because that is a violation of the Constitution. I don’t have any moral obligation to spend my last dollar in the bank to uphold the finances of internet companies.
The blog I need help with is lgsoftmembers.wordpress.com.
Apr 30, 2013, 2:31 AM
Howdy, you failed to read the Terms of Service. That was your fault. It’s a reasonable and legal supposition that you’d read the terms of a contract before agreeing to it. Stop being stupid.
Apr 30, 2013, 2:33 AM
also apparently this user was also fired from another web host in the past:
What’s that they say? That the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result?
No, you cannot purchase six million hits a month from a spam service, then bitch in the forums when the spam hits don’t show up in your statistics. No, you cannot.
Apr 30, 2013, 2:34 AM
Oh hey. I’m curious. What “Constitution” is that to which you refer?
Wow–I just started creating a blog and am glad I ran into this conversation while reading to try and learn how to do this. I am currently in school for Marketing and E-Commerce because I am ready to get out of the legal field and although I am not finished yet–that guy truly does sound idiotic. Is he what is termed a troll?? We just learned about fraud and the SEO and the problem with these people that do fraudulent marketing. I consider myself to have high ethical standards and through this conversation it helped me to see that you seem to operate your business ethically and it is very hard to find corporations that are transparent and honest. I am going to try to learn your site and slowly start working on sites until I gain enough business to warrant hiring others. Financially, I will be doing everything myself and although it may be a slow way to do it, I will start with doing the linking and such myself–that is what they teach us anyway!! I realize at some point I will not be able to do it all myself and then I will have to move forward so thanks for responding to him in that way–I am very glad to know that you do not allow the spamming or scamming in here as that is one of the main issues on the internet and I appreciate a company that works to keep them out. So kudos to you for standing up to this guy–he did not seem to make much sense at all in what he kept saying and totally agree with you about the internet being here in 1776 :) The constitution will remain the same but time changes and they can and do make amendments for issues that were not around when they signed the Constitution!! I hope I can figure out your site well enough so that I can continue to come here for clients in the future. He did not do his “due-diligence” or he would not still be looking for a way to do something fraudulently for over two years now! Thank you for having integrity!
Bingo! And thanks.
No, he’s not a troll. A troll only posts something to get a reaction. I saw his site: it was a full site, with many posts, and once his idiocy was exposed he took it down. He’ll probably repost it at Blogspot or somewhere, but thanks to WordPress.com SEO I will almost certainly outrank him in searches for his own name.
Hee hee. I was keeping an eye on this thread today, very amusing. I think your expectations are a little high with the “stop being stupid” though. “I paid for traffic and it is not showing up, just like they said it would not.” Uh huh…..
He’s got a DEGREE. From TEX-ASS!
Not in law, then….
I doubt they have that there.
He has (at least) two sites, the one linked to his name and the one he said he was asking about. The one he said he was asking about (https://npcompleteproof.wordpress.com/) is still up.
Good catch. I’ll report that one for the affiliate links auxclass found.
“What you just said right now is in violation of the U.S. Constitution, and you know it down to the core of your being.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAA! Wow, thanks for the laugh of the day. Sad to see people get suckered in to scams, but by the time I get through a whole conversation rationalizing it, my sympathy reserves are depleted…
Exactly. And he claims to be some kind of scientist? No wonder he got thrown out of school, he probably bought his application essay from a Russian mobster.
I chose not to respond that that thread and on reflection I’m glad I did that. Firstly, my opinion of scammers who purchase robot traffic is so low that it doesn’t even register. Secondly, I knew you would wipe the board with that troll.
I live to entertain.
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This had very high entertainment value. (I’m baffled about his references to the Constitution, and I think if I try to figure out what he meant, my head may ‘splode.)
The minute you “get” the way a loonbat thinks, you know you are in trouble!
This reads like a script from a Borat movie. Real life blogging is surely stranger than fiction. Thanks for an entertaining — and informative — story!
Glad you liked it! Yeah, real life does not lack for drama.
L., this post and entire thread were good for a lot of laughs. Oh yes, there were definitely elements of “Schadenfreude.”
Dear Raincoaster, in the past I got into an argument with you, but I am not going to do that today. The things that you are saying wrong in your blog, (from my point of view), is that the institutions that control that 1 million dollar Millenium Prize are the university systems and anyone who tries to win the prize without the auspices of a reputable university will be rejected. As for the issue of traffic and clicks, the mistakes that I made in planning my work to promote my chosen ideas is that I did not realize that as much as 40% of the services on the internet that provide traffic are scams that are created almost daily as of this time. I wanted to have a pleasant time with my alloted ~2 hours per week, and instead it turned into a big hassle because I was not prepared for the environment of people who are internet marketers by trade. Most of the people who are internet marketers spent many years studying how to be so. I did not. I went to the university to study Computer Science. In addition to that, I have a disability and it makes it harder. As for the issue of the Constitution, you are not factually correct, the Constitution does in fact exist on the internet. Why, for example, would there by so many public service websites of the government and civic organizations if the Constitution was circumvented on the internet?
It’s great that you started out saying that you are not going to get into an argument with me. Why, then, did you immediately argue with me?
You didn’t know what you were doing, you say. I accept that. But you refuse to take responsibility for the things that you did out of ignorance. This does not jibe with your self-image as a reputable, university-level businessman.
Most of the people who are internet marketers are twentysomething school leavers. It’s not rocket science. Nobody forced you to deal with them, any more than anyone put a gun to your head and forced you to buy crack.
As for the issue of the Constitution, the Constitution is copied on the internet, but it does not govern the internet. Because there are an awful lot more countries in the world wide web than your little corner of it. But if you can’t handle yourself with only two hours a week online, you certainly can’t handle yourself in an international context either.
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